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The Daily Kos Strikes Again: Hypocrisy and Stereotyping

August 14, 2009

The Daily Kos is still at it, Conservatives are wrong, and Liberals are the innocent victim.  The First Ammendment applies to the Liberals, but the Conservatives are merely causing trouble.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/14/766682/-Hate-Groups-Feeding-on-Racial-Fears

“Republican politicians and celebrities stoking the latent white supremacist and other violent tendencies ingrained in the fringe conservative movement are playing with fire.”

They link this ABC report:http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8324481&page=1 and follow that with this quote:

“Experts who track hate groups across the U.S. are growing increasingly concerned over violent rhetoric targeted at President Obama, especially as the debate over health care intensifies and a pattern of threats emerges. The Secret Service is investigating a Maryland man who held a sign reading “Death to Obama” and “Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids” outside a town hall meeting this week.”

So one guy holds a sign that says, “Death to Obama” and all Conservatives are evil racists?  No mention of the SEIU members that beat a man and sent him to the hospital for daring to sell “Don’t Tread on Me” flags.  No mention of the times that the Liberals compared Bush to Hitler.  No mention of the Liberals own violent tendencies, tendencies which show clearly in their responses to the posting.

“Is there nothing that can be done? (0+ / 0-)

I know your first amendment is strong (in itself a good thing) but surely there must be some wiggle room to shut these groups down?”

 

by irishjohn

The First Ammendment is a good thing, but only if exercised by the far Left, the Right has no right to do anything but as President Obama said, “shut up and stay out of the way.”

 and all of them will scream in unison… (20+ / 0-)

…”We didn’t start the fire” when all hell breaks lose.”

 

by DawnG

And they say the Conservatives are violent, extremists that are looking for an excuse to use violence.

These radical right-wing pieces of crap (6+ / 0-)

need guns, otheriwse they’d get their asses kicked.”

“I feel stupid and contagious. Here we are now, entertain us” – Kurt Cobain 1991

by Jeff Y

They condemn the Right for using the same tactics the Left has always used.

 Wingnut Bloggers On C-SPAN Now (5+ / 0-)

Is C-SPAN coming to Pgh? 

Tim Phillips from “Americans For Prosperity” is telling the little wingers that disrupting townhalls makes people sympathetic to conservatives.”

by bernardpliers

Remember all the screaming about Bush being a NAZI?  Apparently the Left doesn’t.

That “Nazi” Thing Won’t Win GOP Jewish Votes nt” (7+ / 0-)

by bernardpliers

There is always the obligatory veiled threat of violence combined with insults of the Right.

it’s getting scary (6+ / 0-)

Sooner or later, we’ll all arm ourselves just like the Republitards (except more quietly).

I’m recommending “sooner.””                                                                                                                                                                                                                  “I was never one of those that said Eisenhower was a Commie.” –Amos Bush

by Tom Seaview

And there is always the armed Liberal, that is in fear of the many armed Conservatives tghat are running around attacking and shooting innocent Liberals.  Notice, no proof of the accusation is given, but a rather funny suggestion about armed Liberals protecting the innocent (as long as they aren’t unwanted babies).

In many cases, I agree, Dawn (6+ / 0-)

I’m the least trigger-happy gun carrier you’ll ever meet. I carry because my wife insists on it (I go to strangers’ homes every day in unfamiliar neighborhoods). I don’t hunt, I stay out of trouble, and I pray every day that strapping on the Glock is a waste of time.

Because I don’t like to carry, and my biggest concern about it would be missing the target and/or hitting an innocent bystander, I am well-trained and well-practiced. I have passed the same marksmanship tests as policemen, Secret Service and FBI agents, and even air marshals. I spend about $500 per year on ammunition and range time to maintain my skills. My stepson fought in Iraq and killed several people in the battle for Baghdad; I routinely embarrass him at the range.

I wouldn’t shoot to protect my TV, my car, or my wallet… but I would shoot to defend my life, or someone else’s. I have a duty to my family to come home alive, and I might have a similar duty to protect others in an armed robbery or violent attack (the latter situation is becoming all too common, thanks to all this bubbling militancy and hatred). There have been several situations this year, with right-wing nuts shooting innocents, where one armed liberal may have been of great help.

As I said, I would rather be robbed than shoot someone else… so maybe our opinions aren’t that far apart. I am a pessimist at heart, and I carry for the same reason we fasten our seat belts when we drive: there is a slight but non-zero risk that the gun, or the seat belt, will be needed to save a life or three.

“I was never one of those that said Eisenhower was a Commie.” –Amos Bush

by Tom Seaview

“I have a duty to my family to come home alive, and I might have a similar duty to protect others in an armed robbery or violent attack (the latter situation is becoming all too common, thanks to all this bubbling militancy and hatred).”  Huh??  Exactly what bubbling militancy?  One guy with a sign is “bubbling militancy?”

And we go back to the “fact” that if you are a Conservative, you are a racist.

I don’t understand… (7+ / 0-)

White supremacists and assorted hate groups have always been a problem.  Burnings, bombings, killings, beatings.  What are you talking about as new news?

It seems to me unsurprising that policy differences would merge with latent (and not so latent) hatreds to make for some reall ugliness.”                                                                                                                                                                                                  Free speech? Yeah, I’ve heard of that. Have you?

by dinotrac

So when the Left calls Bush “Hitler” that is Free Speech, when the Left calls the Right racist, that is free speech, but when the Right objects to policy, they are racist and NAZI’s.  I guess we don’t really need the First Ammendment, or opinions on policy.  We can just sit down, shut up, and let Obama fix it with communism.

There is the denial of the Left as indicated in this response:

“OK, but… (0+ / 0-)

How many people are we talking about?

And — from your list,

I see three KKK branches being counted as three groups instead of one…and…
the KKK’s been around for a long time.  Compared to, say, the 1920s, the Klan is a shadow of its former self.

And — The Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party?  They don’t seem to fit in with the others at all.  I wouldn’t classify either one as a hate group, and certainly not a group that would be upset by an Obama administration.

It’s hard for me to take lists like that very seriously.”

Free speech? Yeah, I’ve heard of that. Have you?

by dinotrac

 

The Nation of Islam and the New Black Panthers aren’t racist hate groups?  Sorry, dinotrac, it just became impossible for me to take you seriously.

“Secret Service please. (18+ / 0-)

Secret Service please sit next to Glenn Beck and when you feel he is pushing the buttons trying to get the next Mark David Champan to shoot a gun, please handcuff Glenn Beck and take him away.  Do the country a favor.  This guy is a terrorist.”

by EarTo44

 

Apparently, they have never listened to Beck.  Beck is about anything peaceful, he says it everyday.  He  denounces any violence everyday.  Even to the point of objecting to people like, me that believe the time will come when it becomes necessary to defend ourselves militarily from the government these Leftists are bringing us.  Understand, I’m not an extremist militant, I’m not looking to go out and start shooting at the government, or anyone else.  I do, however, believe that the government will start shooting at us very soon, at that point I believe we will have the right and the need to defend ourselves.  The irrational and unfactual diatribe from the Left only goes to prove we are headed there a lot sooner than even I would have thought seven months ago.

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  1. August 15, 2009 12:02 am

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  2. August 15, 2009 1:21 am

    Capitalism was born out of the ashes of a system called “FEUDALISM” Capitalism was a social advance over feudalism because it freed the serfs and the common man to break away from the landed aristocracy. Those that believed they were lords and blue bloods ordained by God to rule over the earth and and those that they considered less than human than they. They looked down on the mass of people that did not own private property.
    The struggle of the common man did not stop with the birth of our nation. There were those at the founding of our nation that did not want to educate in public schools those that were not of the propertied class. These so called gentlemen attempted to keep people without considerable property from voting. During the rise of industrial revolution the working conditions of workers were so bad that in the Lincoln, Douglas debates the argument was made of “what was worse, ” chattel slavery or wage slavery.”
    Workers and the common man fought back against against those that regarded themselves as “the privileged class.” They formed labor unions and joined together for political action.
    Capitalists from the earliest time of our history to the present time were contemptuous of the general public and our environment. When they had a chance to make a large profit they would shout “FULL SPEED AHEAD AND the public be damned!”
    It became apparent that only if the working class, united together and politically struggled together against the abuses of the privileged class would the common worker have a decent life.
    The struggle for socialism is a part of that struggle of the common man to end exploitation of man by man.
    For over 100 years their has been an effort to put the means of production into the hands of the common man and to share the wealth with the entire community. The prevailing conditions over the years had made this national transformation impossible to succeed. But when the conditions are all in place this revolutionary change will take place because it will be the only possible thing to do.

  3. dcbarton permalink*
    August 15, 2009 8:09 am

    That is a very nice sugar-coated crock. If we look at where “socialism” has led other countries, it is not a good system. While I would be remiss to deny that there are is small, but growing, minority that like the idea of socialism and push for socialism, the vast majority of Americans would never accept it, at least not at this time. There are still too many of us that lived through the cold war and remember what Russia and Cuba were.
    The cries of the “abused” working class is another sugar-coated crock. Under capitalism, any member of the working class that doesn’t like being part of the working class can work to move out of the working class. A little effort, some inteligence and, or wisdom and you, I or anyone else can move out of the working class. You don’t even need the inteligence and wisdom to move out, you can learn it along the way.
    The idea that capitalists are “contemptuous of the general public and our enviroment” is simply ridiculus. You may not have noticed but, capitalism has led the world in bringing freedom to the world, we freed Europe from the grip of socialism. The Nazis were actually called nazis as a shortened version of National Socialist Party. They were obviously genuinely interested in imporving people’s lives, except for the jews, christians, and anyone who wasn’t willing to accept their leadership. They spread their hatred over most of Europe before the “evil” capitalists stepped in to save Europe.
    The Soviet Union was a great example of socialism at its finest. While there are still socialists in Russia, attempting to regain control, the Russian people threw the chains of socialism off just as quick as they could in the 1980’s. It was the “evil” capitalists that enabled the Russian people to have the opportunity to throw off what they, themselves, considered to be nothing more than “shackles.”
    “The struggle for socialism is a part of that struggle of the common man to end exploitation of man by man.”
    Socialism has never ended any exploitation, it has, in fact, been the source of exploitation much more often than capitalism.

    • August 15, 2009 7:49 pm

      “Class Warfare” exists because of the nature of the relationship that exists between the worker and the employer! The boss pays the worker a wage for the value he produces as a worker at his job. The value the worker produces is much greater than the value he receives in the form of a wage. The profit of the boss is that value what the worker produced and did not receive.
      As a class the workers that produced all of the value that exists in society has been robbed of the fruit of his and her labor! (Talk about plunder!) The Rich get richer and the poor get poorer because of this exploitation at the point of production.
      If you know about economics you are probably aware of the concentration of capital into the hands of 1% of the population. That’s HIGHWAY ROBBERY! Where 1% of the population own 90% of the nations wealth is scandalous! That is highway robbery and is indicative of the amount of value stolen from workers as a class! Capitalists do not produce value they only accumulate capital by exploiting the labor of workers as a class!
      In the final analysis the government will always protect this exploitation of american labor because government is a part of the system of capitalism!

  4. dcbarton permalink*
    August 15, 2009 8:35 pm

    Class warfare exists not because some rich guy is taking advantage of the working class, it exists because a handful of the members of the working class lack the desire to try to rise above the working class as allowed by the capitalist system. These disgruntled cowards would rather cry victimhood and attempt to convince the rest of the world that they are all victims, too.
    When a person accepts a job, he or she knows what she will make, what raises and benefits will be included and when those benefits will be payed.
    For those that chose not to be employeed by someone else, that are willing to take the risk of self-employment, there is another option. These people can hire others, and often do. there are risks with beginning your own business. David Green began Hobby Lobby Stores, he went broke 7 or 8 times. He kept trying, never whined or blamed the “evil rich.” Today he is very successful, and those that work for him, while they don’t make as much as he does, don’t believe that he is taking advantage of them.
    Cobalt Boats, Inc was started in a garage in Neodesha, Ks. The two men that started that company just wanted to build themselves a couple of boats. Their neighbors saw the boats, liked the boats and wanted to buy boats from the same people. Cobalt Boats grew from a two man operation in someone’s garage to a small business with more than 100 satisfied employees, none of whom would say they are victims of class warfare.
    If you choose not to participate in the capitalist system, you have that choice. You can purchase a peice of property, build your own home, raise your own crops, raise your own livestock, mine your own minerals, and become self-sufficient. There aren’t enough hours in the day, but you can do it, people did it before.
    Or you can continue whining like a spoiled child because you didn’t get the handouts that you want from those in society who worked a little harder, worked a little smarter, and were a little more successful.

    • August 16, 2009 5:12 am

      You appear to be very insensitive to the suffering of those that are victims of circumstances that could not be avoided.
      You appear to be blaming the victims that are in dire straits for their bad turn of events.
      You appear to be a very spoiled selfish individual that has personality traits that is devoid of compassion for people that through no fault of their own are victims of circumstances beyond their ability to do anything about it.
      You can be smart! A hard worker and be unemployed, need health care and be homeless.
      You are so infatuated with the capitalist system that you cannot see clearly what is occurring and had occurred inside our environment.

  5. dcbarton permalink*
    August 16, 2009 7:06 am

    Circumstances that could not be avoided? We all make our own choices in life. The choices we make are our own doing, they are NOT someone else’s fault. When something doesn’t work the way you want it to, you don’t fix things by sitting around whining about being a victim, you fix them by pulling yourself up, changing tactics and trying again.
    “You are so infatuated with the capitalist system that you cannot see clearly what is occurring and had occurred inside our environment.”
    Apparently, I can see clearly, you, on the hand, don’t seem to understand that helping those who choose to have less, or to have misdirected priorities, is what caused the problems we now have. You, also, seem to completely miss what the system, you appear to be suggesting, has historically done to the citizens that have been subjected to that system. Do I need to remind you of the breadlines in Russia? Or of the fact that Russia couldn’t feed its own citizens in the 1970’s and 80’s? Do you not remember that it was the capitalist system, which you seem to hate, which sent grain to Russia at substantially lower prices than they could have gotten here? Do you not acknowledge the medicines, food, and other aid, that we constantly send to Africa, South America, Central America, Asia and the Mideast?
    Try doing a little learning, quit asking those of us that are willing to work to support those who are not willing to work. IF you don’t have as much as you want, work harder, don’t ask me to give up what I have earned.
    Am I insensitive? No. But I don’t believe you help anyone by giving them handouts, you help them by teaching them how to earn their own way, and by expecting them to do so.

  6. August 17, 2009 12:03 am

    Your perception of reality is all bundled up in trite slogans and dogmas that are far removed from the reality of every day living.
    You most likely have read too many books about positive thinking. Your perceptions are so limited and so selfish that you are blind to the big picture as well as the small picture.
    If you can’t see the forest because of the trees you will never understand why people do what they do.
    Everything in life eventually will turn into it’s diametrical opposite. Ignorance will ultimately turn into enlightenment, so if you live long enough perhaps you will see the light.

  7. dcbarton permalink*
    August 18, 2009 11:15 am

    On the contrary, I see reality very well. You, on the other hand, seem to live in a world where the theft of my labor is justified. What I earn is mine, you can earn your own, you DO NOT have a right to take from me so that you can have what I have. That is exactly what socialism is, taking from those that work to give to those that won’t. The problem with that idea is that sooner or later those that work will quit, then we are all doing without. Get a job and earn your own way, don’t take it from the rest of us.

    • August 19, 2009 2:02 am

      If you work for a living and do not own for a living your interest is furthered by the common struggle of working people everywhere to better their conditions and raise their standard of living so that they and you can get an increasingly larger share of the value that is produced by you and your fellow workers.
      It is now possible for advanced technology to produce much more material wealth with less effort than ever before. This technology was produced by working technologists, scientists, and other working professionals. It should belong to those that are the producers of this technology and to those workers that utilize this technology and in so doing benefit and enrich the entire society.
      But instead those exploiters that own for a living are calling the shots and as a consequence the 90% concentration of capital and wealth in the USA is in the greedy hands of only 1% of the people. These parasites do not work for a living but instead own for a living.
      The people that think that their fate and well being is an individual thing and is not a part of a struggle of groups that have a common interest is sorely mistaken.
      If you cannot see the forrest because of the trees, it is because you are short sighted! …I suggest that you climb to the top of the tree so you could see not only the individual trees but also the big picture, and how you as an individual fit into that big picture, … and the scheme of things.

  8. dcbarton permalink*
    August 20, 2009 8:30 am

    My interests are not furthered by taking from the rightful owners and giving to others. If we agree to that now, the government can then turn around and take from us later. If we take from others, we won’t truly appreciate what we then have, and therefore won’t have it very long.
    You are right about now being able to produce more wealth with less effort than ever before. Unfortunately, you fail to understand that effort is required in order to appreciate the wealth you aquire. It is also true that the people that create ways to create that wealth are doing so for the benefit of the “wealthy.” But, remember, it is the wealthy that provide the funding that allows these people to create new methods to produce things. Because the wealthy funding the research, they get to reap the rewards. COntracts must be honored, if I pay you to produce a product, I offer you a wage, you accept, and the profit from that product belongs to me. If that is not sufficient for you, you are welcome to start your own business and compete with me. If you do not want to go through the trouble and risk of starting your own business, you do NOT have the right to take what I produce.
    Nor do you have the right to ruin the lives of countless millions of other Americans by bringing about a change you don’t truly understand. I would suggest you study some history of what socialism has accomplished. In every case where socialism/communism has been tried, it was the working people that suffered. Forget about what you read about the subject on the Daily Kos or http://www.cpusa.org . It always leads to severly reduced lifestyles, severly reduced quality of life, severly reduced health care, severly increased unemployment and enslavement of the people by the government.

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